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A Guide To Talking To JW’s

Here are notes from our encounter with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Hopefully this equips you to share the Gospel with them and refute their false teachings.  If you haven’t done so already, please sign up for our e-mail list to receive a free Special Report on witnessing to the JW’s and Mormons.

1:08-JW’s believe Jesus was a created being (I will refute this later)

1:30-Their organization was created by Charles Taze Russel in the 1800’s

2:00-JW’s try to give people a corrupt booklet called “What does the Bible really teach”

3:30-JW’s believe Jehovah is God’s personal name, even though there is no “J” in Hebrew.

3:50-5:35-In order to prove Jesus is God, go to John 2:19-21 where Jesus said He would raise Himself from the dead (remember the “temple” signifies his body c.f.verse 21).  JW’s believe God raised Jesus from the dead (which is correct, c.f. Acts 2:24) however Jesus raised Himself from the dead. Therefore, if God raised Jesus from the dead, but Jesus raised Himself from the dead, Jesus is God.

6:00-6:40- Thomas in John 20:28 declares Jesus to be both “Lord” and “God” which Jesus commended Him for.  If Jesus wasn’t God, He would have rebuked Thomas!

6:50-8:15-JW’s use a corrupted Bible version called the New World Translation in which they mistranslate John1:1 to call Jesus “a god” instead of God.  However, by doing this, they become polytheists. I asked them then if Jesus is a true God or false god since they say only Jehovah is the true God.

8:30-9:40-  JW’s have a faulty understanding of the Trinity and make out Jesus to be a lesser being.  They don’t understand the Bible teaches there is one God in three persons, not three gods.

9:40- All major Bible versions translate John 1:1c as “the Word was God” not “the Word was a god” like the JW’s Bible.  Even the KJV Bible (which the JW’s used in the past and is still on their website as a viable translation) translates it as “the Word was God!”

9:40-12:20-JW’s have been falsely taught Jehovah is God’s personal name even though it is a man-made term. Click here for more on this topic http://pleasetellmethetruth.org/2016/06/21/why-the-word-jehovah-cannot-be-gods-personal-name/

12:20-12:40-  Jesus is eternal (Isaiah 9:6) meaning without beginning or end. Eternal does not mean created and then lasting forever.

12:40-15:50-  A JW “proof text” is Colossians 1:15 where Jesus is called the firstborn over all creation.  However, in context, it does not mean Jesus was created, but rather the Creator, as the following verse says He created everything.  Firstborn in the Bible can mean the first child, or the pre-eminent one (the owner) as it does in this case. For example, King David was the youngest in his family, yet he was called the firstborn because of his kingship (Psalm 89:27). CAUTION: JW’s have inserted the word “other” in Colossians 1:16 because they realized Jesus can’t be the Creator of all things and create Himself.

15:50-17:40- Isaiah 9:6 tells us the Messiah (Jesus) would be eternal (without beginning or end)

17:40- 19:05- JW’s do not understand that Bible-believing Christians believe God is three distinct persons, yet one Being.  Three persons comprise Yahweh God.  JW’s are polytheists, not orthodox Trinitarians.

19:05-19:40-    The humanity of Jesus died, not His Spirit (Luke 23:43)

19:40-23:40-  Isaiah 44:6-says only Yahweh (or Jehovah) is the true God.  Three persons in the Bible are called the true God, the Father, Son, and Spirit.  JW’s have been deceived into thinking their organization is impressive because they have gone international. But so has biblical Christianity with 100 times the force!  Also, JW’s masquerade as Christians even though they follow a false Christ.

23:40-26:15-  JW’s have been taught by the Watchtower (their governing organization) certain doctrines which are not scriptural so most of this is garbage.  No mere angel or created being would have the value to take on the sins of the world.

26:15-27:25-  JW’s make out the term firstborn to sound like a sexual union took place to create Jesus, which is of course illogical.  They haven’t thought this term out.

27:25-29:00- Revelation 1:8 states Jesus (the one coming on the clouds and who was pierced) is Almighty God.  The New World Translation edited this verse so it says the Father is the Almighty, but all respected translations (including the KJV) retain the correct wording and state Jesus is the Almighty Alpha and Omega.

29:00-31:30-  JW’s have been wrongly taught the Trinity doesn’t exist.  They don’t understand that Jesus worshiped God the Father since He was fully God and fully man. Jesus was a Jewish man, so of course He worshiped Yahweh. Furthermore, Jesus is worshiped in Hebrews 1:6 and many other passages.

31:30-32:00-  Here is biblical evidence for the Trinity: God raised Jesus from the dead (Acts 2:24).  However, the Bible says three separate persons raised Jesus from the dead: the Father (Gal. 1:1), the Son (John 1:19-21), and the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11).  Therefore, if God raised Him, but three persons raised Jesus, then God is made up of three persons.

32:00-34:20-  God is a complex being, but to deny the Trinity is to commit to polytheism which is heresy.  Furthermore, Christians believe in only one God.  1 Cor. 8:6 includes Jesus with the Being as God, so this is not a problem.

34:20-34:50-  Through the power of God’s Holy Spirit, I was spurred to use this illustration to prove God must be more than one person.  God has eternally been loving since it’s part of who he is (1 John 4:8).  However, you can’t love yourself (contradicts the definition of love), so there must have been at least one other person God has eternally loved, which would be the other members of the Trinity.

34:50-36:15-  Isaiah 43:10 says only Yahweh (or Jehovah) is God.  JW’s believe Jesus is a lesser god, but of course, this makes him out to be a false god if only the Father is the true God!  Furthermore, the Father and the Son are both called the Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6, 10:21).

36:15-38:30-  It’s absurd to say God deceived the world for 1,800 years until the JW’s came around.  We have all the revelation we need through Jesus and the Bible (Hebrews 1:1-4).  All orthodox, biblical Christians have held that Jesus is the eternal Almighty God.  Also, no core doctrine has changed since the Bible was originally written.

38:30-41:00  The key word is when the lady said they don’t feel the Trinity is true. It comes down to emotion for them, and God’s Word for followers of the Lord Jesus. Jesus gave glory to His Father, but He also prayed His Father would glorify Him (John 17:5), and God never shares His glory (Isaiah 42:8).

41:00-44:00  The NWT has changed almost all the verses where Jesus is being worshiped and inserted the word  “obeisance” instead.  However, you can use the KJV to show the many verses where Jesus is worshiped (Matt. 14:33).  Also, Revelation 5:13 in the NWT says Jesus ( the Lamb) is worshiped. Once again, the JW woman is concerned about what she believes and feels, rather than what she knows.  The Christians have God’s Word on their side, and the Triune God reigning in them!  Furthermore, Jesus created everything (John 1:3) and is the Alpha and the Omega (Revelation 1:8).

44:00-45:24 Only one of us is right, but the Holy Spirit will show us the truth through God’s Word.  Amazing how they will not pray with us, even though they consider themselves “Christians.”

Hopefully this helped you to get an idea of what JW’s will say. God loves everyone and wants all people to repent and trust in His Son who is Almighty God (John 3:16, 1 Timothy 2:4).  This is why we must learn to refute false teachings so the deceivers can be saved, and so they will stop deceiving others.

4 Comments

  1. Mike February 25, 2017

    Hi Mark,
    This synopsis of your discussion with Jehovah’s Witness includes biased misconceptions about JW’s that should be cleared up.
    Additionally, your arguments for the deity of Jesus are unsophisticated.
    Let me give you an example.
    You assert Jesus humanity died but not his spirit – you cite Luke 23:43 as evidence for such a statement.
    The early Greek manuscripts had the entire Greek text capitalised with no punctuation. No spaces between words, commas, full stops etc.
    Therefore, English grammar and biblical context (immediate and broad) provide translators an indication for punctuation.
    Moving the comma in this text changes the meaning. Either Jesus was telling him today, he would be with him in paradise with the timing undefined, or he was telling him he would join him in paradise on that very day as you read and interpret it.
    Which is it?
    1/ Jesus didn’t go to heaven on that day (John 20:17)
    2/ The evildoer had not been born again (John 3:3) Why not?
    3/ The Holy Spirit was not to be poured out to anoint the first born again Christians for many weeks.
    For these and several other reasons, the evildoer was not with Jesus in paradise on that specific day.
    Many of the additional points you make above are likewise ill considered, problematic, superficial or otherwise incorrect.
    I would be happy to address each of them if you’re inclined toward an accurate informed view of Jehovah’s Witnesses and their teachings. If however you wish to continue to promote misinformation, hopefully this small comment will alert honest investigators to the untrustworthiness of information about JW’s and their teachings on this site.
    Hopeful,
    Mike

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    1. Mark Stengler Jr February 26, 2017

      Mike, the argument you made in no way refutes the claim that Jesus’s spirit (or divine nature) was not still alive. No major translations (NASB,ESV,NKJV,NIV,KJV) except the NWT place a comma after the word “today.” It would be foolish to say that all the translations, Greek scholars, and translators are wrong about their placement of the comma. The Greek scholars that translated the top Bible versions which are used in Bible colleges and seminaries are obviously more credible than an organization who will not even produce the list of “scholars” they use. Furthermore, when you cite John 20:17, Jesus is talking about ascending to the right hand of the Father, not just returning to heaven (Acts 7:56). Second, the criminal had been born again since He had repented and put His trust in Jesus (Mark 1:15,John 3:16), and I am not sure what you are referring to when you talk about the Holy Spirit being poured out. Since you have challenged my refutations of JW teaching, I would also like to challenge you to a debate on the Trinity, or the divinity of Jesus. We can do it via the web on google hangouts. Let me know so we can get this ball rolling. -Mark

  2. Mike February 26, 2017

    Aha Mark, it certainly does, but that was not the point I was endeavouring to make. My point was that using Luke 23:43 was not a supportive text and it would indicate a lack of depth to use it.

    I usually dislike using debating terms but you have indulged in an argument from authority here in a textbook way. “Obviously more credible” is subjective and irrelevant to the point I make. I’m a fan of assessing merit on quality of content, not just consensus. If you had said the general consensus is x for these significant reasons I would consider your objection but what you have written is just biased rhetoric.

    Your addition to the clear words of Jesus at John 20:17 are simply not there, nor implied.
    “Jesus replied, “Do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father. Go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’””
    ‭‭John‬ ‭20:17‬ ‭NET‬‬ (Compare Eph 4:9)

    Even if I granted you that Jesus’ spirit didn’t die (which is not taught in scripture), he didn’t go to heaven on that 14th day of Nisan. The evildoer, if with him would have joined him preaching to the spirits in prison (Tartarus not heaven) (1 Pet 3:18)

    Not only is 1 Peter 3:18 problematic to such a view, so is Pauls application of the reality of the OT Atonement Day shadow at Heb 9. He entered heaven only after his death and resurrection for the immediate express purpose of appearing in Gods presence with his own blood for humanity.
    “For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with hands – the representation of the true sanctuary – but into heaven itself, and he appears now in God’s presence for us. And he did not enter to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the sanctuary year after year with blood that is not his own,”
    ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:24-25‬ ‭NET‬‬

    There is no scriptural reason to believe that Jesus had already been to heaven when had said the words at John 20:17 quoted above to Mary. To the contrary, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand here looking up into the sky? This same Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven will come back in the same way you saw him go into heaven.””
    ‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:11‬ ‭NET‬‬

    A final contradiction of the position that the evildoer went to heaven with Jesus on Nisan 14 is Paul’s inspired explanation of the timing of the heavenly resurrection at 1 Thessalonians 4. Paul spoke of Christians who had fallen asleep in death awaiting a resurrection due at the coming of the Lord.
    In his second letter to them a year later he cautions the Thessalonians (2 Thess 2:1-3) not to believe some who were indicating that that time had come. It hadn’t. Therefore those Christians sleeping in death were still sleeping in death, but to be raised first at the coming of the Lord. You surely can’t be suggesting the evildoer beat the Christians Paul talks about to heaven?

    The criminal had not been born again since the first born again Christians were those first to receive their baptism in the Holy Spirit in the upper room in Jerusalem at Pentecost.
    John 3:5, Mark 1:8, Acts 1:5, Acts 2:4

    I’d be pleased to discuss the subject of the trinity with you on the condition that you use a forum easily accessible to visitors to your website, I would suggest on your website if possible.

    Kind regards, Mike

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  3. Mike March 8, 2017

    Hi Mark,
    Haven’t heard back re your challenge to a debate on trinity or a response to the above re the scriptural dilemmas from asserting the criminal was with Jesus in paradise on Nisan 14..
    Kind regards,
    Mike

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